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5/8 Collinear antenna

Posted on October 8, 2015October 8, 2015 by Simone

I was trying to increase the overall performance of the J-pole, in this design.  The diagram provided is a more simplified version of the one I did.  These are a few of the modifications I came up with.  I added a cap on the top end of the PVC.  Mounted a so-239 to a split piece of copper tubing, that took the place of the #14 copper wire.  And, I also added a short aluminum mast that fit into the lower end of the PVC.   I mounted the antenna to a 10′ antenna mast and a small tripod on the roof.  I tried to add some type of a ground plain but everything I did made the antenna perform poorly.  After all my efforts the end result was an antenna that out performs the 1/2-wave colinear copper version, with only one exception.  The working model is somewhat narrow banded and still requires more experimentation.  Some of the elements must be a little long.

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Article originally available at http://home.comcast.net/~buck0/5-8thx2j.htm

 

4 thoughts on “5/8 Collinear antenna”

  1. Tim says:
    April 7, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    Hi Simone, shouldn’t the phasing-stub, in the centre of the radiator, be 1/8 not 3/8 wavelength?
    73! Tim

  2. Jeff KH6O says:
    May 27, 2022 at 6:52 pm

    Sir,

    If you have time, could you model the stacked 5/8 wavelength collinear for 223 MHz? I’ve been using a hand-calculator with 117/f to calculate 1/8 wavelength as the basis for all the various sections…

    73,
    Jeff KH6O

  3. Zoran says:
    March 6, 2024 at 3:50 pm

    3/8
    5/8 section and stub 3/8 give you 8/8 = 1 wave. Exact phase.

  4. Harry says:
    December 1, 2024 at 5:05 pm

    No Tim, the phasing stub needs to be 3/8 of a wave length because you need to bring the lower and upper elements into phase, that being 1 wavelength. The bigger issue is the mis-match of the 1/4 wave tuned stub feeding the 5/8 length element. J-poles are high impedance, end-fed 1/2 wave RESONANT antennas, and that’s why you can feed them with a 1/4 wave transmission line. 5/8 antennas are non-resonant antennas that have a significant out-of-phase current/voltage reflection, due to excess capacitance of the design; that’s why you always see a coil at the antenna feed-point. the J-pole transmission line design cannot get around that issue, and therefore, a transmission line matching device is not a good way to feed a 5/8 antenna. This antenna would be much better off being a double 1/2 wave antenna collinear antenna, with a coil phasing the upper and lower radiators. The coil would designed to be less than a 1/2 wave in length, because the inductance of the coil will also add to the phasing angle. This can be designed through experimenting with coils of various total wire lengths, and their calculated inductance, and adding the phase angle produced by that coil at a given frequency and using online inductance phasing angle calculators, so you get a total of 180 degrees of phase difference between the two ends of the coil. Keep in mind velocity factor of wire in the atmosphere, you can discount all wire lengths by about 4%.

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  • Licensed Amateur Radio operator in 1996 as IW5EDI, active member of ARI Firenze and ARRL
  • Class 1970, married with two childrens, love experimenting and antenna home-brewing. IT System Engineer, recently started having fun with morse code and Raspberry Pi


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